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Discussion 4 to Talk Back 81
Better to have just said that you believe

by: JT

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Jerry wrote:

"perhaps my choice of the pythagorean theorem does not sit well with you"

It is not a matter of an example not sitting well with me; it's your choice of an example in which your understanding is totally wrong. Such an example actually sits very well with me because I can use it to show just how wrong you are.

I don't get your point about leptons and quarks etc. being a "working theory." Everyone who understands science knows there are no absolute scientific proofs. Every scientific theory is subject to being overturned or refined by new evidence. But as a scientific theory, rather than a hypothesis, leptons and quarks are supported by the currently known verifiable evidence. Are you suggesting by analogy that your god is just a "working theory?" If so, what is the verifiable evidence supporting that particular theory?

You bring in dark matter and suggest it makes up 99.9% of the universe. Where did you get this number? The only place I can find 99.9% related to dark matter is as one of the wrong answers on a sample multiple choice exam. The correct answer is about 95%. You might consider this a small error, but it amounts to a fiftyfold error in either the amount of luminous matter in the universe or in the size of the universe. Either way, that is very significant.

By the way, your 3 - 4 - 5 rule is not the Pythagorean theorem. The 3 - 4 - 5 rule is a useful rule of thumb for producing a right angle (accepted as proven through practical application) used for thousands of years before Pythagoras. The Egyptians used it in constructing the pyramids. What the Pythagorean theorem does (among many other more important things) is explain why the 3 - 4 - 5 rule always works in the plane, as does the 5 - 12 - 13 rule and an infinite number of other possible combinations of lengths. Your application of the 3 - 4 - 5 rule is intended to produce a right angle. The Pythagorean Theorem, which contains no numbers (not even a 3, 4, or 5), starts with a right angle as a given.[1] That's a fundamental difference.

You may think this is picking apart your "specifics" again. Of course it is. If you can't get the facts straight, facts you chose of your own volition to present to support your case, you provide no reason for others to believe you have the correct facts on God.

You would have been better to have simply written stating that you know God exists, and said nothing more. The last paragraph of your initial submission, without its first sentence, would probably have been sufficient.

But if you are interested in what case you might have made in GOD and Geometry had you taken the time to refresh your knowledge of the subject to determine what was proven and what wasn't, then you might take a look at the opening paragraphs of Meditation 599.


  1. In any right triangle, the area of the square whose side is the hypotenuse (the side facing the right angle) is equal to the sum of areas of the squares of the other two sides.

    or, as in the diagram below, where the letters are the areas of the squares

C= A+ B