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Discussion 7 to Talk Back 52
You missed the point

by Ritchie Buenviaje

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"I've been told that when each person dies the body weight decreases by 21 grams exactly, each person. Please explain for me since I'm only an ignorant evolved ape." - Thomas J

The belief that a soul weighs 21 grams comes from an experiment conducted by a Dr. Duncan MacDougall of Haverhill, Massachusetts in 1907. In this experiment, he constructed a special scale and put a person close to death on it where he consequently observed that the needle of his scale jumped 21 grams at the moment the person on the scale died. You can read the story for yourself at snopes.com and doing a search for 21 grams. If you decide not to, the end of the story is that Dr. MacDougall's experiment was extremely flawed and did nothing to verify the existence of a soul, much less the weight of one.

Thomas, I think you completely missed the point of Julie's comment concerning the working model of human evolution. However, that is just one problem with the rest of your D&D.

You suggest that humanity should not put its faith/trust into science to solve our ills, however your suggestion has been proven to be folly on a number of occasions throughout history. A good example being the bubonic plague that struck Europe from 1000-1300's killing millions. They put ALL of their faith/trust into "God" and they still died of plague. A more recent example would be the ailing Pope John Paul II. You'd think with millions of Catholics praying for his recovery, he would be cured of his many diseases. However, both the plague and the Pope's diseases are diagnosed, treated and (eventually) cured using modern medicine which is a derivative of the various sciences that you so disparage.

Just because there are gaps in our understandings of the world and the universe does not mean that a "god of gaps" exist where things happen "just because."

In addition, your bus analogy makes little sense. If you're suggesting that the bus represents science, then you're suggesting that the old woman can travel further, more quickly using science than having someone hold her hand to bring her a short distance with little advancement.

Literature, music and dreams are hardly proof of god's existence. They are merely proof of humanity's desire to express themselves more eloquently to other people.

And finally, you imply that movies are also proof of god's existence because you think you see god in them. If that were true, then that means ogres (Shrek), mutants (X-Men), and talking animals (Dr. Dolittle, among others) also exist. In addition, the "god" that you cite in "I, Robot" is a human being and the "god" in "The Matrix" are robots initially created by man.

Thomas, you're more than free to practice your faith as you see fit, however, that does not mean that your faith should prevent you from making an intelligent argument that doesn't need to make use of faulty analogies.