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Discussion 2 to Meditation 82
Truth in the agnostic writings

by: Simone Bixby

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It is very sad to read that you turned away from GOD because of one man.  Jesus told a parable of the same thing....the parable of the sower. 

You talk about people telling the truth, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life."  If you were to study all the words that Jesus spoke, would you see the truth in what he spoke? 

Its very easy to become disillusioned when a "Man that is representing God" sins out right and even more devastating when you are a young man and it was such a blatant lie.  Not all pastors, preachers, ministers are able to walk in the will of God as righteously and as perfectly as we would like to believe.  Jesus taught to have compassion on those that sin.  We are all born with a sinful nature and only through the power of the holy spirit are we able to resist temptation, and only Jesus was perfect and sinless.  Remember he said, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." Life can hurt in so many ways, I am sorry that you were hurt so deeply that you turned away from the existence of God.  Another great thing that Jesus did, he was tempted in all things but did not sin, therefore he understands all the pain that life can bring, and the good news is, he died for all our hurt so that we could go to GOD and ask for healing. 

Being Christian does not make life a bowl of cherries with no pits, it gives me the peace to know that I am not in this alone, but I have a saviour who is rooting for me.  If my belief is wrong, I have lived with a positive mind set and done my best to love.

Christianity, to me, is knowing that I have a sinful nature, that I acknowledge that I need a saviour to help me through life and in my acceptance of Jesus he is my reconciliation to God the creator of mankind .  That is a very simple statement of my faith.  I do understand that throughout the ages, religion, in itself  has been an institution made by man to keep control and order.  Man is able to make a mess of just about everything.  This I do know, I know that God did not want man to be bound by laws......Jesus was sent to fulfill the law, he came to free us from bondage.

Wow....the Jesuits taught that it was okay to sin if you were saving a soul.  That's heavy. Sinning is anything that separates you from God.  Paul wrote that he wrestled within himself that his flesh was weak, he wanted to sin, but his spiritual nature, did not want to sin.  Maybe that's where they were coming from, its hard to speculate with so little facts of the actual teaching.  The bible teaches that sin is sin.....and God cannot look upon sin.  Saving a soul.....reconciliation to God comes through accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour of your life, you become born again into a new nature with the promise of eternal life without sin. 

The lie is exposed, therefore the truth has been revealed.  You have uncovered incorrect doctrine.  Jesus said that God cannot lie and that Satan is the Father of lies.

I also think that it is "strange" that an ordained clergy man would want to become a part of an organization that denies God.  Although it is difficult to speculate the reasoning without hearing their side of the story.   You state that it is a small lie......there really is no such thing as a small lie, or a white lie, they are all lies and they are all wrong.  That being said, who am I to judge another person and point out their faults and their sins....in fact, according to the bible, I am not to judge others.  Again, I must agree with you, that accepting articles of Faith that are contrary to their ordination, is not an honest practise.   

Peter denied Jesus three times, someone applied three times, you turned down their application, .Denial is the psychological process by which human beings protect themselves from things which threaten them by blocking knowledge of those things from their awareness,  Lying and denial are not comparable, are you making the point because of the number of times?

When you were accused of lying, your defence was that you gave the individual the benefit of the doubt.  My question is, why did you not give the benefit of the doubt to the clergyman in your introductory paragraph?

The second person that accused you of lying, stated the reference Romans 1:20-22 which is as follows, as a claim that you are lying about your lack of belief:

20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

When you say you do not believe, nor do you care about God, you are speaking the truth.  Faith is a gift from God given to those that diligently seek him and his truth.  Again you are correct when you state that the more accurate verse is as follows:

19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Actually when you thanked him for pointing out another error in the bible, you were really pointing out that he referenced the incorrect scripture.  I don't know if the man is a bible scholar, I would hope that a man that has made the study of the bible, his life's efforts, he would be more accurate in his references, and more loving in his nature.  But a loving nature is not found in the reading of the bible, as the devil himself knows the bible, but a loving nature comes from the relationship with Jesus and the holy spirit working within your spirit to encourage love.

I believe that because you are offended by dishonesty and lies that you are closer to God that you know.  The very nature of God within you has declared that truth is the path that we must all take.