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Discussion 5 to Testimony 1
The morality of God

by Evan D

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Thank you for not answering for me, since I think that I did a pretty good job of answering for myself.  Refer to my second testimony to get a feel for why I really left Christianity if you are so inclined.

I would be curious to hear your story as well; this site needs more testimonies so that those who are still Christian out there can know that a life without God is a possibility for them.

Finally, I wanted to add that yes, the morality of God was problematic for me, but it was not the climax of my deconversion.  I have developed an argument, in good form, which captures the gist of what you are saying above.

Assumptions and terms (Given to us by the Bible / Christian church):

  1. God is omnibenevolent (has perfect morality)
  2. God is omnipotent (all powerful)
  3. Evil exists in the world.  For the sake of argument, we will define evil as unnecessary pain (eg. An innocent deer painfully dieing in the forest alone)


  1. God is omnibenevolent ( Assumption 1)
  2. God is omnipotent   (Assumption 2)
  3. Evil (pain) exists in the world, not caused by human sin  (Assumption 3)
  4. God has the power to rid the world of evil   (Entailment from 2)
  5. God has not rid the world from evil (Entailment from 3)
  6. An omnibenevolent God would rid the world of unnecessary evil if he could.  (Definition of omnibenevolent)
  7. God is not omnibenvelent (Entailment from 4, 5 and 6)


reductio ad absurdum[1] (1 and 7 contradict each other)

In my opinion, the only thing that can really be challenged in this argument is whether or not all evil in the world is caused by human sin.  I personally find it hard to justify God’s killing of an innocent kitten every time some pimply faced teenager strokes off to a Penthouse[2].



[2] If you do in fact believe that God kills kittens every time teenagers masturbate, it is morally obligatory that you wear this “Operation Save the Kittens” T-shirt to ensure that no harm will come to the world’s beloved kittens.

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